Consolidation of some abilities

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Consolidation of some abilities

Postby Lun » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:23 pm

I'm going to lead with the statement that "I'm pretty sure you're already working on this, but I just wanted to chip in my two cents anyway!"

With the release of Generalized Abilities, Rooks are starved for points, as choosing only guild abilities will already put us in the upper 15's. I was hoping that some of the old abilities could be converted to passive perks gained at certain skill caps.

For example, Infused Nether is a prerequisite for later abilities, but in of itself doesn't provide much of a benefit. It could be a perk of sorcery at reaching a certain sorcery level, as could Nether Vision. Nether Vision is one of the most useful utility abilities sorcerers' get, but due to the limited points we get I've decided against it.

Cryomancy and Sorcery could be bundled under one ability, essentially a sorcerer's "training" ability. Every Rook I've ever met has always taken both, and at least one of our abilities hinge on us knowing at least some of both.

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Re: Consolidation of some abilities

Postby Lun » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:26 am

Just an additional add-on thought, (I'm not that familiar with the other guilds anymore, so I'm not sure if this applies elsewhere too,) but some abilities require significant point investment to break into. If breaking users into niche specializations was supposed to be one of the side effects, then I don't mind completely, but I thought I'd just show what kind of point investment is required.

Compared to other guilds or generalized abilities, the reliance on prerequisite abilities is kind of ridiculous. See: previous argument about how Artisans had to spend 4 or 5 points on blacksmithing.*
*In generalization, and since Sorcery isn't generalized I could see this argument being moot but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

For example, If I focused solely on getting Possession, for example, I would end up spending 6 points to reach it.
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That's a single ability chain required to get a skill.

The other skills don't have such a long chain, maxing out at 4 points to obtain or so.
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That being said, I would have to dedicate 9 points just to get two abilities that are otherwise completely locked to me.

The only abilities that don't need prereqs are as follows:
Nether Vision
Shadow Martyr

Cryomancy follows its own chain, with 0 reliance on prereq abilities. The only ability you need to learn is Freezing Aura, and all the other abilities unlock from there.

Post-Lysse Edit: Even considering Elemancy, the only prerequisites you have for previous abilities is to be a journeyman, apprentice, or other in the same ability. And while they're both magic, they're completely different, like druidry vs thaumaturgy. Sorcery isn't that strong if you're talking raw numbers-- Elemancy is the king of damage. Our damage remains relatively capped off and I don't think I've ever gotten to the point where it can deal anywhere remotely close to what an elemancer can.
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Re: Consolidation of some abilities

Postby Lysse » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:37 am

I don't personally think that Rooks are really in need of consolidated abilities, for the same reasons that Elemancers don't. Magic is powerful. A guild that specializes heavily in magic should likely require a pretty good investiture of points.
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Re: Consolidation of some abilities

Postby Avedri » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:51 am

Yeah, I agree with OP. I would like to see some of these bundled.

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Re: Consolidation of some abilities

Postby Lysse » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:38 am

Post-Lysse Edit: Even considering Elemancy, the only prerequisites you have for previous abilities is to be a journeyman, apprentice, or other in the same ability. And while they're both magic, they're completely different, like druidry vs thaumaturgy. Sorcery isn't that strong if you're talking raw numbers-- Elemancy is the king of damage. Our damage remains relatively capped off and I don't think I've ever gotten to the point where it can deal anywhere remotely close to what an elemancer can.


Correct, Elemancy is the King of Damage. However, the magic that Rooks has access to has a bit more variety, in the form of a pet and excellent Crowd Control. The spells that a Rook gets may not be the same in terms of raw power, but raw power is hardly everything in Clok. Magic, in general, is powerful. And not just by terms of damage.
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"A choice nevertheless, or perhaps an alternative. You see I believe in freedom. Not many people do, although they will of course protest otherwise. And no practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences. Indeed, it is the freedom upon which all the others are based.”

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